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Malaysia Airlines said it lost contact with a plane carrying 239 people on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
The plane disappeared on March 8, the problem is, with so little directional information to start with (six and a partial seventh ping, transmitted at hourly intervals), are we SURE we are even searching the right ocean? Why have we heard NOTHING from Rolls Royce re the real time engine management monitoring system? If those following the serious clues left available there is only one question to ask. Why does no one mention the Indian Oceans most advanced and secure air base, the stationary Aircraft Carrier located south of the southern tip of India called Diego Garcia? Not a peep. Not even an indication of a US managed military installation that monitors everything in this war region. In fact the best old metaphor regarding the lack of reference to this location is “The Silence Is Deafening.” Only one nation on earth has the technology to remotely block a planes radar and communications if they felt their base was under threat from a terrorist attack. I believe in the coming days or weeks it will be the USA who find evidence that the plane crashed ??? but in fact I believe it was probably shot down.

Always easy to blame a dead pilot, its better than some unpalatable truth, like wrong freight or lack of maintenance. The pilots are always in the firing line for everything, even if there was a known fault with the aircraft. It doesn't help his relatives, and it doesn't help passengers who still have to board those type of aircraft. Wouldn't it be better to run a story on how lax Malaysian airline security is, how passengers can board their planes using stolen passports, how the airline hasn't a clue who is on board, how the Malaysian ATC is non existent, how their baggage agents don't know the difference between a cargo of fruit or a cargo of batteries.. Then a story on how the Malaysian Government officials and the airlines "
spokesmen"
are a bunch of backtracking amateurs. In fact how the lot of them are now looked upon as an embarrassing joke . This lot will most probably be trying to blame the aircraft cleaning crew in a few weeks .

Assume any of the following are possibilities with and/or logic:

Fire in cockpit
Fire in hold
Pilot incapacitated
Copilot incapacitated
Avionics partially damaged
Flight controls partially damaged
Smoke
Damage to power cables
Damage to aircraft skin
Pressure loss
Various levels of unconsciousness in crew and passengers

A pilot or copilot would try to tackle the problem (whatever it is) first then radio a mayday and turn the plane to the nearest runway open. If the pilot thinks there is a risk of a crash while landing, he would decide to go to a quiet airport (such as Langkawi or Penang) with low population density . If during the time travelling towards this airport further issues from the list above ensue, the decision could be changed again. If the pilot or whoever by this time is accessing the cockpit controls or systems bay decides that a landing isn't possible and they are loosing conciousness, then setting the autopilot to preserve any life on board for as long as possible is the last and final thing left. All decisions would be made under extreme pressure and duress.

What strikes me about this situation is we know so many 'facts' from the various satellite companies: pings, arcs, 'handshakes,' and power outages. Yet we don't know where the plane is or how it ended up there. Also, given how much security goes into aviation safety its amazing that none of this was done real time, "
hey, i wonder where that plane went?"
when it first went off course (over neighboring nations) why wasnt there a fighter plane or something else sent up to check on it (we know this happens).. So much doesnt add up that I'm left to believe that we are being given is inaccurate information!

I thhink there is a real sickness in the media these days. They don't care for the truth, or facts, or people's feelings, they just care about headlines. The various authorities release information because they would be accused of cover-ups otherwise but the press then get tame "
experts"
to speculate wildly about the, very limited, information and by clever use of language and quotaion marks, they imply that the wild speculation are "
facts"
released by the authorities.

It's been 4 months now and still no closer to finding anything. I really feel for the relatives and the pain they must be enduring throughout all this, lets hope and pray that something breaks soon.

I take it there still isn't any news about this? I did hear that the other flight that was shot down some suspected it as being the same plane ?

davshaz wrote:

I take it there still isn't any news about this? I did hear that the other flight that was shot down some suspected it as being the same plane ?

A good thought davshaz, but on checking the airplanes details I don't think this is possible
The missing plane MR370 - Boeing 777 - 200ER, Registered 9M-MRO
The shot down plane MR17 - Boeing 777 - 2H6ER, Registered 9M-MRD
Completely different Nationality passenger lists
People on board MR17 by nationality
All 283 passengers and 15 crew died. The crew were Malaysian and about two-thirds of the passengers were Dutch. By 19 July, the airline had determined the nationalities of all 298 passengers and crew. The nationalities are noted in the table.

Nation Number
Australia 27
Belgium 4
Canada[c][28]
1
Germany[d]
4
Indonesia 12
Malaysia[e]
43
Netherlands[f]
193
New Zealand 1
Philippines 3
United Kingdom[g]
10
Total 298

People on board by nationality MR370
Nationality No.
Australia
6
Canada
2
China
152
France
4
Hong Kong[f]
1
India[209]
5
Indonesia
7
Iran[g]
2
Malaysia[h]
50
Netherlands
1
New Zealand
2
Russia
1
Taiwan
1
Ukraine
2
United States
3
Total 239

A Dutch firm has been chosen to carry out the underwater search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. For the sake of the relatives and the Malaysian People, I do hope and pray that they find the wreckage and subsequently, the passengers. Unless there is a closure, the apprehension and sadness of the relatives will never disappear and it has been several months of pain and mental torture.......I do not wish it on anybody.....

Ron Paul: US 'likely hiding truth' on downed Malaysian Flight MH17

Former Congressman Ron Paul said the US knows ‘more than it is telling’ about the Malaysian aircraft that crashed in eastern Ukraine last month, killing 298 people on board and seriously damaging US-Russian relations in the process.

In an effort to inject some balance of opinion, not to mention pure sanity, into the ongoing debate over what happened to Malaysian Flight MH17, Ron Paul is convinced the US government is withholding information on the catastrophe.

"
The US government has grown strangely quiet on the accusation that it was Russia or her allies that brought down the Malaysian airliner with a Buk anti-aircraft missile,"
Paul said on his news website on Thursday.

Paul’s comments are in sharp contrast to the echo chamber of one-sided opinion inside Western mainstream media, which has almost unanimously blamed anti-Kiev militia for bringing down the commercial airline. Incredibly, in many cases Washington had nothing to show as evidence to incriminate pro-Russian rebels aside from tenuous references to social media.

“We’ve seen that there were heavy weapons moved from Russia to Ukraine, that they have moved into the hands of separatist leaders,” said White House spokesman Josh Earnest. “And according to social media reports, those weapons include the SA-11 [Buk missile] system.”

In another instance, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf told reporters “the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful rocket launchers to the separatist forces in Ukraine, and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russia to attack Ukrainian military positions.” When veteran AP reporter Matthew Lee asked for proof, he was to be disappointed.

“I can’t get into the sources and methods behind it,” Harf responded. “I can’t tell you what the information is based on.” Lee said the allegations made by the State Department on Ukraine have fallen far short of “definitive proof.”

Just days after US intelligence officials admitted they had no conclusive evidence to prove Russia was behind the downing of the airliner, Kiev published satellite images as ‘proof’ it didn’t deploy anti-aircraft batteries around the MH17 crash site. However, these images have altered time-stamps and are from the days after the MH17 tragedy, the Russian Defense Ministry revealed, fully discrediting the Ukrainian claims.

In yet another inexplicable occurrence, Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet approaching the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. No acceptable explanation has ever been given by Kiev as to why this fighter aircraft was so close to the doomed passenger jet moments before it was brought down.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” Russian Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov demanded days after the crash.

Paul has slammed the Obama administration, despite its arsenal of surveillance technologies at its disposal, for its failure to provide a single grain of evidence to solve the mystery of the Malaysian airliner.

"
It’s hard to believe that the US, with all of its spy satellites available for monitoring everything in Ukraine, that precise proof of who did what and when is not available,"
the two-time presidential candidate said.

"
Too bad we can’t count on our government to just tell us the truth and show us the evidence,"
Paul added. "
I’m convinced that it knows a lot more than it’s telling us."


Although no sufficient evidence has been presented to prove that the anti-Kiev militia was responsible for the downing of the international flight, such an inconvenient oversight has not stopped the United States and Europe from slapping economic sanctions and travel bans against Russia.

Moscow hit back, saying it would place a ban on agricultural imports from the United States and the European Union. Russia’s tit-for-tat ban will certainly be felt, as food and agricultural imports from the US amounted to $1.3 billion last year, according to the US Department of Agriculture. In 2013, meanwhile, the EU’s agricultural exports to Russia totaled 11.8 billion euros ($15.8 billion).

After the crash, Ron Paul was one of a few voices calling for calm as US officials were pointing fingers without a shred of evidence to support their claims. Paul has not been afraid to say the painfully obvious things the US media, for any number of reasons, cannot find the courage to articulate.

“They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych,” Paul said. “Without US-sponsored ‘regime change,’ it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened.”

Paul also found it outrageous that Western media, parroting the government line, has reported that the Malaysian flight must have been downed by “Russian-backed separatists,” because the BUK missile that reportedly brought down the aircraft was Russian made.

“They will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons,” he emphasized.

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Strange how this has gone quiet, it seems that other world matters have taken over ? or is that a smoke screen in hope that the world will forget

Have a look at these photo's. I have an aviation friend that is absolutely sure that the missing Malaysian aircraft is here
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Diego Garcia? If it came anywhere near there I guarantee you the plane didn't land. If they lost radio contact and were headed towards Diego Garcia without an ability by the US Military to verify who they were or what they were doing there, then the plane was most certainly brought down by US military hardware.

There are numerous alternative theories now, all being pushed by either mainstream media or "
mainstream alternative media"
and all have major problems. Diego Garcia remains by far the most highly probable location for flight 370. There are three big reasons why flight 370 most likely ended up there, and a few smaller ones...

The first big reason is because the Malaysian military plotted flight 370 on radar as it turned around and flew for a full hour in the direction of Diego Garcia until it disappeared from their military radars far sooner than it should have absent jamming. All the terrain mapping and flying at 5,000 feet stories are bold faced lies, the last radar blip from this plane happened at 29,500 feet and at that altitude it disappeared from military radars after previously vanishing from civilian radars at 36,000 feet. The terrain mapping stories which are being hatched by either think tanks, liars with a motive or total idiots do not hold water.

This plane not only vanished while in clear sight of civilian radars, it vanished a second time while in full sight of military radars, the plane remained within range of military radars for at least a full 300 miles after it vanished from them, simply calculating the curvature of the earth proves it and only a phase cancelling electronic warfare platform could have done that.

I have a theory which hasn't been discussed yet and may apply to several scenerios.

My theory is that the plane could have landed/ crashed in water and stayed in one piece, or perhaps 3 larger pieces (2 wings and main body), before sinking.. I'll explain further...

A few years ago a pilot in NY (American readers will know this better) hit a flock of birds on take off and suffered engine failure, and then landed the plane in one whole piece in the Hudson River saving everyone. Well in several scenerios this could be the ultimate reason why no one can find this plane. For instance imagine the pilot was on a suicide mission and wanted to be as malicious as possible, flies the plane to 45,000 ft renedering everyone unconcious, flies out o the Indian Ocean, lands the plane as best he can on the water, and lets it sink. In this scenerio the plane may not break up leaving cuchions, lugage, bodies floating everywhere - and the pilot may have known this would cause maximum distress/ embaressment in Malaysia as the plane would never be found. Another example where this may apply is in mechanical failure. Imagine the plane suffered mechanical failure and the pilot did actually attempt to turn back and suffered navigational issues - and ultimately had to make a crash landing in water. In this scenerio he would have done the best he could to keep the plane in one piece, and he may have succeeded, however the plane may have quickly sunk leaving no trace. Also in this scenerio, if the plane was in a shallow sea (eg gulf of thai or near the andaman island, could the transmittor have kept 'pinging' for sometime after sinking?

its just a theory so don't be to harsh. But without any trace of this plane it may be a possibility that it sunk whole, or in 3 larger sections..........?

davshaz wrote:

I have a theory which hasn't been discussed yet and may apply to several scenerios.

My theory is that the plane could have landed/ crashed in water and stayed in one piece, or perhaps 3 larger pieces (2 wings and main body), before sinking.. I'll explain further...

A few years ago a pilot in NY (American readers will know this better) hit a flock of birds on take off and suffered engine failure, and then landed the plane in one whole piece in the Hudson River saving everyone. Well in several scenerios this could be the ultimate reason why no one can find this plane. For instance imagine the pilot was on a suicide mission and wanted to be as malicious as possible, flies the plane to 45,000 ft renedering everyone unconcious, flies out o the Indian Ocean, lands the plane as best he can on the water, and lets it sink. In this scenerio the plane may not break up leaving cuchions, lugage, bodies floating everywhere - and the pilot may have known this would cause maximum distress/ embaressment in Malaysia as the plane would never be found. Another example where this may apply is in mechanical failure. Imagine the plane suffered mechanical failure and the pilot did actually attempt to turn back and suffered navigational issues - and ultimately had to make a crash landing in water. In this scenerio he would have done the best he could to keep the plane in one piece, and he may have succeeded, however the plane may have quickly sunk leaving no trace. Also in this scenerio, if the plane was in a shallow sea (eg gulf of thai or near the andaman island, could the transmittor have kept 'pinging' for sometime after sinking?

its just a theory so don't be to harsh. But without any trace of this plane it may be a possibility that it sunk whole, or in 3 larger sections..........?

My aviation friend told me that landing a plane of that size on water is equivalent to landing it on a tarmac runway at 160mph, it would break up, even if it didn't there would be fuel on the sea as it was only one hour into it's flight