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Malaysia Airlines said it lost contact with a plane carrying 239 people on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
The plane disappeared on March 8, the problem is, with so little directional information to start with (six and a partial seventh ping, transmitted at hourly intervals), are we SURE we are even searching the right ocean? Why have we heard NOTHING from Rolls Royce re the real time engine management monitoring system? If those following the serious clues left available there is only one question to ask. Why does no one mention the Indian Oceans most advanced and secure air base, the stationary Aircraft Carrier located south of the southern tip of India called Diego Garcia? Not a peep. Not even an indication of a US managed military installation that monitors everything in this war region. In fact the best old metaphor regarding the lack of reference to this location is “The Silence Is Deafening.” Only one nation on earth has the technology to remotely block a planes radar and communications if they felt their base was under threat from a terrorist attack. I believe in the coming days or weeks it will be the USA who find evidence that the plane crashed ??? but in fact I believe it was probably shot down.

It was INMARSAT which pressured Malaysia for the first 4 days to abandon searches in the South China Sea. Malaysia initially discounted them until INMARSAT recruited the British AAIA to lobby Malaysia's change of heart.

People forget that when Malaysia first changed its story, they said military radar saw MH370 climb to 45,000ft at IGARI then turn and dive west. They said MH370 was next seen by Butterworth radar flying near Pelau Perak at 18:40 UTC and that the route flown was IGARI-VAMPI-GIVAL-IGREX.

Subsequently Malaysia modified their claim on 21 March 2014 to say it was seen at Pelau Perak at 18:02 UTC, flying towards MEKAR. Convenient that because IGREX did not corroborate INMARSAT's theory. It is pretty obvious that INMARSAT and the AAIA have swayed Malaysia's DCA and Malaysian authorities have fabricated fake radar claims.

Good theory Andy but Why ??

Daisy There are number of possible reasons why.

(1) Embarrassment that RMAF radar was routinely switched off at 5pm to conserve overhaul life.

(2) Potential exposure to uncapped liability if MH370 was ever actually found.

(3) Questions raised by Dr Mahattir about $900m in Kazanah Soverign Wealth funds missing from Cayman Islands bank account underwriting an insurance premium with Allianz Germany for MH370

All these are possible conjectures, but what is a certainty is that Malaysia repeatedly changed their story and when 300+ floating objects were sighted in the Southern Indian Ocean, it was Malaysia who demanded the search effort to recover those objects be abandoned. It was Malaysia which demanded Australia ground Chinese search planes. It was Malaysia which demanded the search effort be shifted North to Zenith Plateau.

Whilst the aircraft and all of its' component parts remain missing, all that we have is speculation.

I can speculate, drawing on numerous accidents over many years, that there was a flash fire in the forward cargo hold, fuelled by lithium batteries and ruptured oxygen cylinders, that destroyed the main power and communication cable bundles and leading to a rupture of the fuselage shell, leading to a rapid decompression. This occurred in a time frame that gave to crew time to turn around and retrim for straight and level flight with reprogramming of the auto-pilot command CPU, as they attempted to return to land. At that altitude the fire quickly self extinguished through lack of oxygen and the aircraft was now a "ghost ship" flying through the night. All of the events that I surmise could've occurred have actually happened to aircraft in commercial operation. The engines are semi autonomous and continue to run at last set power rating until they either run out of fuel or are physically disrupted even when the control cables from the cockpit are severed.

Since the disappearance of MH370, if it had come down in the Southern Ocean, any debris could've drifted tens of thousands of miles and this is the puzzle, how come nothing has been found? Even a "gentle" well controlled ditching will cause the severance of some panels from the airframe, items of either positive or neutral buoyancy that would eventually be found and recognized as items of interest.

If this was the scenario though then why did the plane make 2 more succinct turns, first to the NW then to the south ? It's hard to imagine the crew typing in coordinates to the FMS during such an emergency and if the fire took out the radio it's stands to reason all other electric components would suffer the same fate. If it was a controlled ditch and the water was relatively calm then plane could stay in one piece sans the engines which would sink quickly. That's really the only scenario that would account for no debris being found . If the plane hit the water nose down at a high rate of speed there would be an immense amount of debris. The fact that not one little piece has been found is making that scenario seem less likely by the day especially since the current models say it would head towards populated areas.

The crew could've simply requested the FMS to "Return to last way point" and after the aircraft had initiated that course selection, and they realized that things were worse than they'd first imagined, re-selected a return to point of departure. Not all power bus bars are in the same loom and with replicated power supplies after the first one was lost, there was the interval, in my scenario, before the second one lost continuity. From a number of video clips that have been broadcast, you will have noticed that it is not unusual for one engine to clip a wave crest before the other one and causing the whole aircraft to corkscrew, tearing it apart. Wave heights in the Southern Ocean were reported as up to 30 metres when the search teams first over-flew the area. Not a situation for a gentle uneventful ditching.

I know nothing about aviation but I have thought about the communication aspect, what about the mobile phones of the passengers remember, 9/11 when the passengers where contacting their families, and there must be emergency communications on board, in the event of something happening to the flight crew. The only solution I can come up with is how do we know that communication wasn't made with the authorities and for some reason this information has not been released.

Scooby To make contact from a cell phone requires an altitude of about 5,000ft or lower and a relative lateral speed between the cell tower and aircraft no faster than 150kts. Outside these parameters cellular connection is impossible.
The 2015 interim report however (page 32) asserts radar tracked MH370 flying towards Penang at 592 knots GS and further implies MH370 flew north from Penang to Pelau Perak at 510kt GS. The altitudes required to fly these speeds exceed 30,000 feet so there were NO cell phone connections with MH370. Rumour, gossip and deliberate misinformation spread by the Malaysian Police and media now passes for fact in the minds of many.

The first post on this topic was posted by Andy over a year ago and after 22 pages of posts we are no further forward as to what, why, where and how
Regarding the thoughts of whether it nose dived or made a smooth landing is a mystery because as we all know nothing appears to have been washed up on any beaches. If it nose dived into the sea it would have shattered over a very large area just like the Germanwings plane did in the French mountains
This has nothing to do with all things Bulgarian, but it's been and still is an extremely interesting topic with many of us giving our views on this very

willowsend wrote:

The first post on this topic was posted by Andy over a year ago and after 22 pages of posts we are no further forward as to what, why, where and how
Regarding the thoughts of whether it nose dived or made a smooth landing is a mystery because as we all know nothing appears to have been washed up on any beaches. If it nose dived into the sea it would have shattered over a very large area just like the Germanwings plane did in the French mountains
This has nothing to do with all things Bulgarian, but it's been and still is an extremely interesting topic with many of us giving our views on this very  

It really is amazing Brian I never thought it would attract this much interest on a forum such as this one which is predominantly about Bulgaria

Tim Clark is the CEO of Emirates Airlines — one of the world's most successful, luxurious, respected, and fastest-growing airlines.

Clark's airline, Emirates is the world's largest operator of Boeing 777s, and he has said, "I will continue to ask questions and make a nuisance of myself, even as others would like to bury it. I need to know how anybody could interdict our [777] systems." Lithium ion batteries are the known culprit for fires on board two Boeing 787s and three Tesla vehicles. In 2010, a UPS 747 was brought down by a fire caused by lithium batteries in the cargo hold. As far back as 2006, Sony replaced millions of Li-ion battery backs for laptop PCs after hundreds overheated and a few caught on fire.

Clark's suspicion over MH370's watery grave is due to the fact that not a single piece of debris has been located, "not even a seat cushion." I have maintained from the beginning that if the plane had hit the ocean surface, it would have broken up and left floating debris on the surface. There are a lot of non-absorbent plastic parts on an airplane. If it had been successfully ditched a la the "Miracle on the Hudson," survivors would have contacted loved ones. without a doubt. So if MH370 didn't end up in the Southern Indian Ocean. where did it go? If it's on land, where are the passengers? Are they being held captive? Have they all been executed? When will we know? What if we never know?

"A vessel involved in the search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 has discovered a shipwreck on the seafloor in the waters off western Australia, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) announced Wednesday. The wreckage, described as a "fascinating find," includes lumps of coal and an anchor along with several man-made objects."

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Just another planted story to keep the myth alive , MH370 is obviously not in the Ocean or debris would have been found floating a long time ago. The authorities involved have all gone quiet on the cargo manifest and some of the passengers on board and why they were heading to China, some of the clues came out in the early reporting and sightings of this aircraft but were dropped by the mainstream media shortly after. This search looks more and more like window dressing as part of a distraction away from the real story of what happened.

Nothing adds up and I think the best explanation/theory so far has been put forward as shot down theory. This type of cover-up suggests military intervention of some sort. Dr Sally Leivesley, a hacking expert, has said this might have been the world’s first cyber hijack. I’m not fervently rushing towards any conspiracy theories but this seems like the best explanation so far. There’s no way a massive commercial airline gets lost in our age. No way. Someone know exactly what happened and a cover-up is almost certain. Didn’t some top Indonesian military brass say they know what happened?

This is all part of the big show being played out for us.... the new excuse is that "the company may have missed it" REALLY??? I've said all along it doesn't look like they want this plane found. The searchers have ignored sighting of the aircraft, they didn't even bother to interview police witness who had statements. Now we find they seem to have been using the wrong sonar and a company that doesn't have the assets to search for it properly. What happened Homer Simpson running the search?