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Malaysia Airlines said it lost contact with a plane carrying 239 people on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
The plane disappeared on March 8, the problem is, with so little directional information to start with (six and a partial seventh ping, transmitted at hourly intervals), are we SURE we are even searching the right ocean? Why have we heard NOTHING from Rolls Royce re the real time engine management monitoring system? If those following the serious clues left available there is only one question to ask. Why does no one mention the Indian Oceans most advanced and secure air base, the stationary Aircraft Carrier located south of the southern tip of India called Diego Garcia? Not a peep. Not even an indication of a US managed military installation that monitors everything in this war region. In fact the best old metaphor regarding the lack of reference to this location is “The Silence Is Deafening.” Only one nation on earth has the technology to remotely block a planes radar and communications if they felt their base was under threat from a terrorist attack. I believe in the coming days or weeks it will be the USA who find evidence that the plane crashed ??? but in fact I believe it was probably shot down.

Just a little bit of interesting news about this subject

MH370: James Cameron Has 'Zero Interest' In Searching For MH370, Volunteer Investigator Says

James Cameron, director of the Oscar-winning movie “Titanic,” turned down a request to assist in the search of the missing Malaysia Airlines plane MH370. Cameron is an accomplished deep sea explorer and used his knowledge in movies such as “The Abyss” and “Titanic.” He also reportedly broke the record for the deepest ever solo submarine dive in 2012 by descending seven miles into the Mariana Trench in the Pacific Ocean.

Andrew Milne, a volunteer investigator involved in the hunt of the missing plane, approached Cameron after the director offered advice on finding the plane last year. Cameron had said back then that the “pings” emitted by the plane would be the best lead, the Daily Express reported. But the pings later turned out to be unrelated to MH370.

“We asked Mr Cameron for help in the search effort whom thus far has shown zero interest in MH370,” Milne said, according to the Daily Express.

Cameron, however, has not commented on the plane for over a year.

The plane went missing last March with 227 passengers and 12 crew members on board. The Malaysian government has since declared all the members as presumed dead and classified the missing plane as an accident.

Milne, a military aviation expert, said, according to the Malaysian Insider, that the Australian government’s theory of the plane crashing into the southern Indian Ocean is a “criminal act of fabrication of evidence.”

Efforts to find the missing plane have not yielded any results so far. According to a theory by Bruce Robertson, a U.S. pilot, the plane was filled with deadly carbon monoxide from burning lithium-ion batteries on board. The gas killed everyone on the flight before it crashed “into the Southern Indian Ocean west of the Zenith Plateau, west of Exmouth Australia,” Robertson reportedly said.

Milne addressed the latest theory by Robertson, saying that the cargo hold of the plane, flying at a height of 37,000 feet, would have been too cold to have caught fire. He added that even if there was smoke, it could not have been smelled by the pilots as the cargo holds are usually sealed off from the main cabin.

It is still my opinion that MH370 is not on the sea bed of the ocean. To make a comparison take the Germanwings flight crashing into the French mountain, the debris was over five or more acres. MH370, a larger aircraft crashing into the sea would have had a similar impact over a larger sea area as the Germanwings had crashing into the mountain, so I stick with my thoughts that MH370 is not on the seabed in a watery grave
Timeline of events

Main article: Timeline of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
8 MarchFlight 370 disappears after departing Kuala Lumpur at 00:41 MYT (16:41 UTC, 7 March). A search and rescue effort is launched in the South China Sea and Gulf of Thailand.[276]10 MarchMalaysia's military announces that Flight 370 may have turned back and flew west towards Malaysia. The search is expanded to include the Strait of Malacca.[76]12 MarchMalaysia announces that Flight 370 crossed the Malay Peninsula and was last spotted on military radar 200 nmi (370 km; 230 mi) northwest of Penang on Malaysia's west coast. The focus of the search is shifted to the Andaman Sea and Strait of Malacca.[54][277]15 MarchOfficials announce that communications between Flight 370 and a communications satellite operated by Inmarsat indicate it continued to fly for several more hours and was along one of two corridors at the time of its last communication.[77]18 March – 28 AprilAerial search of the southern Indian Ocean, west of Australia, is conducted.[5][278]24 MarchPrime Minister of Malaysia announces that Flight 370 is presumed to have gone down in the southern Indian Ocean; Malaysia Airlines states to families that it assumes "beyond reasonable doubt" there are no survivors.[279] The northern search corridor (northwest of Malaysia) and the northern half of the southern search corridor (the waters between Indonesia and Australia) are definitively ruled out.[280]30 MarchThe Joint Agency Coordination Centre is created to co-ordinate the multinational search effort.[281]2–14 AprilAn intense effort by several vessels and aircraft-deployed sonobuoys is made to detect underwater acoustic signals made by underwater locator beacons attached to the aircraft's data recorders. Several acoustic detections are made between 4–8 April.[5]14 April – 28 MayA sonar survey of 860 km2 (330 sq mi) of seafloor near the 4–8 April acoustic detections is conducted, yielding nil debris.[5]1 MayA preliminary report from Malaysia to the ICAO (dated 9 April 2014) is publicly released along with: copies of cargo manifest documents; audio recordings (and transcript) of communications between air traffic control and Flight 370; a log of actions taken by air traffic control (Kuala Lumpur ACC) in the hours after Flight 370 disappeared from their radar (01:38-06:14 MYT).[44]27 MayThe data logs of satellite communications between Flight 370 and Inmarsat are released, following criticism over the way this data had been analysed and scepticism of whether Flight 370 really ended in the southern Indian Ocean.[282]

I think your absolutely right Brian these people have all been killed but an unknown to us country or they are held hostage somewhere either way its not possible for a plane of that size to disappear without a single trace ...no debris no oil or fuel washed up in fact nothing but a whole bunch of lies.

I suppose, the secret services of Britain, The US, do not want to reveal the truth, witnesses in the Maldives as evidence, who reportedly siad they had seen a “huge plane flying at a really low altitude, bearing the Malaysia Airlines colours” They were definitely off course and must have been spotted by the American satellite supported surveillance system installed on D.G.. Otherwise the system is worthless. That clearly proves, that the U.S. knows, where the plane went down or landed.

First issue is that the contents of the hold has never been fully released. There is still a half ton not made public. The second is that batteries like this usually travel by sea.... it makes them very expensive to go by air probably more than their cost. The third thing is the contents in the hold were delivered for this aircraft by two ex US seals that normally guard vessels with expensive cargoes.... in fact both these guys died in mysterious circumstances less than two weeks after delivering cargo that was to be aboard this aircraft. The last thing is that its very simple to say the aircraft went on autopilot as the pilot is asphyxiated, in reality when setting an autopilot you have the last course set in it as the default when you flip the switch..... I would be really interested to know why the last course set would have been that of the Indian ocean when the plane was going to Hong Kong?

Aircraft debris' found on Réunion island examined for MH370 links


Police on the island of Réunion are examining what appears to be a piece from an aircraft found washed ashore, amid speculation that it could be wreckage from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The piece of debris, which appears to be part of an aircraft wing, was discovered on the French Indian Ocean island on Wednesday. The Boeing 777 disappeared on 8 March 2014 travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board.

An unnamed US official told Associated Press on Wednesday that air safety investigators have a “high degree of confidence” that the debris is of a wing component unique to the Boeing 777 model. The official claims that investigators — including a Boeing air safety investigator — have identified the component as a “flaperon”, part of the trailing edge of a 777 wing. The officials spoke on condition that they not be named because they are not authorised to speak publicly.

An international search operation for the missing plane found no physical clues, but an ongoing search has been focusing on the southern Indian Ocean west of Perth, Australia, based on faint signals picked up by satellite after the plane went missing.

A French aviation specialist, Xavier Tytelman, who was sent the photos by a contact on Réunion has highlighted the similarity of the debris to the flaperon on a 777, but other experts have expressed doubt whether the part is large enough to have come from a wide-body passenger airliner.

One UK-based air accident investigator, David Gleave, said that it was a potentially credible lead, with a plane crashing on water likely to have left this type of debris: “I have always said that a ditching was likely to lead to some trailing edge parts of flaps floating but they are too small to spot easily. The drift with time is credible.”

But he warned of a possible hoax, with similar parts available from aircraft scrapped for spares. Greave also queried the colour of the wing fragment, which would usually be grey rather than white, although he said sea salt deposits could be responsible.

While searches for debris on the Australian coastline have proved fruitless, online modelling from the University of New South Wales suggests oceanic currents could in 15 months carry wreckage from the MH370 search zone as far as Réunion, off the eastern coast of Africa.

The two-metre-long part had a reference number, which should help investigators quickly conclude whether there is a possible link.

Malaysian authorities in January declared that all those on board were presumed dead. An Australian-led team has been conducting an underwater search of a 120,000 sq km zone in the Indian Ocean for over 500 days.

Boeing said it remained “committed to supporting the MH370 investigation and the search for the airplane”.

It definitely looks like a piece of a wing
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I think that we will rather quickly get a definitive answer from Boeing. Given the number of small changes that always take place during production, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they can, provide a serial number on the part, at least narrow this part down as coming from a range of line numbers.

More importantly, the condition of the part may give us some answers as to how the aircraft went down.

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Is it me or does this part seem a long way from the waters edge?

A suitcase was found near the flaperon.


For those who do not read French

Employees of the Association 3E, working around the Red Wood pond, once again made a discovery this Thursday, July 30th. This morning they have indeed reported the presence of a suitcase, it also failed on the coast. The rusty object, small, was locked with padlocks. He was taken by the police.

The men responsible for the maintenance of green areas had the day before, discovered the aircraft debris that much interest for 24 hours. It could indeed be a part of the Boeing 777 flight MH370 Malaysia Airlines.

Not really much to go on?

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UPDATE: The code '657-BB' found on wreckage could be 777 flaperon according to the maintenance manual.

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Given that the part is from a Boeing would it not be more sensible for Boeing engineers to exam in rather than the French ?


Cannot see the French being happy if the situation was reversed with an Airbus

The flaperon washed ashore in France (Reunion is a French Protectorate) so it will be investigated by the French Authorities.

From news this morning : The "planting evidence" theory can be disregarded as local botanists studied the barnacles attached to the flaperon.This particular type typically grows on floating debris (normally wood) and the rate of growth is known and from this they declared that the piece was floating from a year up to a year an half.
The IO surface currents alo are consistent with the trip from West coast of Australia to Reunion , as is the duration of the journey (around 18 months ).

So it looks more and more like a match.

Thanks Andy that makes sense

A part number on a piece of aircraft wreckage found in the Indian Ocean confirms the object is from a Boeing 777. A Malaysian transport official said the information is from Malaysia Airlines.
"From the part number, it is confirmed that it is from a Boeing 777 aircraft. This information is from MAS [Malaysia Airlines]. They have informed me," Deputy Transport Minister Abdul Aziz Kaprawi said on Friday.

The two-metre long piece of debris that appeared to be a wing flap, known as a flaperon, washed up on the small French island east of Madagascar in the Indian Ocean on Wednesday.

Mr Abdul said the piece of wreckage moved investigators "close to solving the mystery of MH370".

Boeing 777 is the model aircraft as Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which vanished almost 17 months ago with 239 people aboard, including six Australians.

The confirmation came after the debris, bearing the number BB670, was sent to offices of France's BEA crash investigation agency in Toulouse, which verified it was indeed the first trace of the lost plane to be found.



The question is can we believe anything anymore ???