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PostSubject: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:39 am

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[size=85:gg9nqmyo]Sofia echo 15 July 2010

Another Roma ghetto to be demolished



Another Roma ghetto in Bulgaria is facing demolition. Sofia authorities have warned the inhabitants of the Malinova Dolina borough ghetto that they have 30 days (August 15) to clear out or be driven out, Bulgarian television channel bTV said on July 14 2010.

"
The Roma will be evicted by force and their shelters will be flattened,"
bTV said.

The campsite is on a meadow under a bridge that passes over the Sofia Ring Road. It is near to people who live in Berkovitsa, Lom, and Loukovit while the entire area is now full of roaming stray dogs because of the campsite.

Last week, a nine-year-old child was taken to Pirogov hospital in Sofia and is still in critical condition after it was viciously attacked by a pack of stray dogs, which have been associated with the Roma campsite, the report said.

"
What are you doing here, where do you work,"
a bTV reporter asked one of the Roma people at the site.

"
At the rubbish bins"


"
How could you bring a six-month-old child to such squalor?"


"
It will grow up,"
said the Roma, who was not identified in the report.

"
So how do you imagine your life here then?"


"
Just like that."


In April 2010, a Roma ghetto in the Sofia borough of Vrubnitsa was razed as part of a "
spring clean-up operation"
in the capital.

The ghetto, consisting of barracks, sheds and other illegal constructions, is on municipal land. Residents of Vrubnitsa signed a petition in January 2010 demanding that the Roma be expelled from the site. The ghetto was flattened at the cost of 40 000 leva, paid from the public purse.

On January 14 2010, Bourgas municipality ordered a Roma ghetto in the city's Slaveikov borough demolished.

The Roma site, which at the time consisted of about 20 shacks and other "
shelters"
, was near a major railway junction. Bulldozers arrived and flattened the buildings in the perimeter while the Roma were expelled.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:56 pm

Well nu2bg you can only help those that help themselves . That is a major part of the problems with these people they tend to help themselves to a lot of what is not there own. In this particular this Apartment Block was we understand illegally taken by them 15 years ago . They also get all the financial help there is (as is with most EU Countries) yet the Bulgarian people have to work or they starve. Even the old people work their gardens until they die. But we still get Roma and such like coming round begging. None of them look as though they are short of food. They just need a Bl***y good wash.

Yes it is a shame especially for the children but they must help themselves and become part of the community not abuse the community.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:09 pm

I don't think we can generalise on all Roma as being the same I believe there is good and bad in all walks of life regardless to whether they was or not I don't know if this problem will ever get resolved not just in Bg but the world over, but I do believe as already said that education and patients along with understanding is what will go some way to help
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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:39 pm

[size=55:2lke2wi7]novinite 18 September 2010

Protesting Bulgarian Roma "
We Have Europe's Support!"


Two hundred Bulgarian Roma and citizens, who support them, staged on Saturday a rally in front of the French Embassy in Sofia in protest against France's controversial deportation of Roma.

The protesters, chanting "
Europe is with us"
and "
Don't humiliate us"
, handed a letter to the French President Nicolas Sarkozy, which demands that France should immediately suspend its expulsion policy, targeting people because of their ethnicity.

The letter points out that the Bulgarian Roma are European citizens on a par with the rest and France should respect their human and civil rights.

"
The people, who go to France, are forced to do so by poverty and the hope for a better life. Poverty is not a crime and is no reason to brutally deprive hundreds of people of their basic human rights,"
the letter reads.

It also insists that the French government extends apologies to the deported Roma.

Earlier this week EU Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding threatened the European Commission is considering legal action against France over its deportations of Roma, which she called a "
disgrace"
.

The case would then go before the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg, she said.

The Commissioner was heavily criticized in France and Germany after she appeared to compare France's actions to persecutions in Nazi-occupied France.

Reding later said she regretted interpretations of her statement.

Meanwhile French President Sarkozy went on to have a heated exchange with the EU Commission President, Jose Manuel Barroso, resulting in an unprecedented row between Brussels and Paris.

But despite all the sound and fury little has changed in practice, as France will continue dismantling illegal camps.

Almost 8,300 Romanian and Bulgarian nationals have now been expelled from France since the beginning of the year. Close to 10,000 were expelled in 2009.

Roma from Romania and Bulgaria are allowed free passage into France if they are European Union citizens. After that, however, they must find work, start studies, or find some other way of becoming established in France or risk deportation.

French officials have said the deportations are part of a broader crackdown on illegal immigration, but they have sparked major criticism at home and abroad.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:43 pm

[size=55:19ga12vu]Bulgarian Telegraph 18 September 2010

Bulgaria's Yambol Demolishes Notorious Building

The demolition of the notorious apartment building 20 in the "
Rayna Knyaginya"
district of the southern city of Yambol began Saturday.

The demolition is carried out mechanically and the area is secured by a temporary metal fence. Executer will be the company "
Roster"
of the Bulgarian city of Smolyan, which has won the public procurement.

The Yambol municipality has announced that the demolition should be finished in 40 days. According to data, the price of the demolition and the removal of the remains is BGN 130,000 VAT excluded.

The deteriorating building was populated by Roma, whо were ordered by the Mayor to vacate it by September 16.

The Roma were evicted Thursday with increased presence of police and firemen,after local authorities declared an emergency situation in the area and а 10-year-old girl was brought to the Yambol hospital Wednesday evening in critical condition. The girl was injured when some Roma, angered by the order, began tearing down the panel construction. 2 people have been arrested in connection with the incident. They have made full confessions.

Despite the eviction, scores of Roma families remain in the area, living in the fields around the building, saying they have nowhere to go and insisting to return inside. They also refuse to send their children to school, demanding social services must first come and see how they live.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:57 pm

I can see this turning into something not very pretty but what I wonder is where will all these people live with their children we may not like how they live or what they live in but its their home s
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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:12 pm

Unless you have seen block 20 there is no way you could ever call the place a home.

In the earlier reports it was stated that the block was in a state of disrepair, believe me that is no exaggeration.

I know these people have become homeless but they have done this themselves. They have had no respect for the building or the surrounding area. We have gone past this area and seen human Stoles all over the place. Rubbish just collects in huge mounds. The council even sent in trucks to rid the place of the rubbish once, no sooner had it been removed and it was back again. They even kept horses in the flats and it has been rumoured that there were pigs on the roof.

I again say that I feel sorry for the children but the Roma have asked for these actions.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:26 pm

Bulgaria's Yambol Refused to Accommodate Evicted Roma

The Roma, formerly living in the notorious apartment building 20 in the Bulgarian city of Yambol, have been left on the streets after the municipality refused to accommodate them in other municipal buildings.

"
The children who have not been provided with normal living conditions will have to be sent to children homes,"
the mayor of Yambol, Georgi Slavov, said Monday.

The Roma, living in apartment building 20, were evicted last week, after local authorities declared an emergency situation in the area and a 10-year-old girl was brought to the Yambol hospital in critical condition. The girl was injured when some Roma, angered by the order, began tearing down the panel construction.

Slavov has explained that he would not allow "
the biggest violators"
to use special preferences at the expense of families who have been waiting a long time for accommodation in municipal buildings.

He has also stated that the Roma who have remained at the meadow near the apartment building 20 have been deliberately enticed to think that the municipality is obliged to compensate them.

According to Slavov, they have been lied to by someone who has an interest to maintain the tension.

He gave an example of about ten Roma families, who gave up in the last minute the opportunity to receive assistance by the municipality for their transportation to a certain destination, after they had previously required it.

"
The distribution of municipal housing will happen as before, following the law, and after categorizing and classifying of the needy families,"
Slavov said.

The mayor also reminded that the municipality of Yambol has respected the right of free access of all the residents of the apartment building 20.

If the choice by the minorities is to live at the meadow, then they will be violate the Child Protection Act because they will not be able to provide normal living conditions for their children, Slavov said.

After the eviction of the residents of the dangerous apartment building 20, about 100 people built huts at the nearby meadow with materials at hand.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:53 pm

[size=55:n0gspcrt]novinite 20 September 2010

Bulgaria's Yambol Leaves Homeless Evicted Roma 'Violators'



The Roma, formerly living in the notorious apartment building 20 in the Bulgarian city of Yambol, have been left on the streets after the municipality refused to accommodate them in other municipal buildings.

The Roma were evicted last week because they had illegally accommodated the apartment building 20. However, before the deadline, they have began to crumble the walls with hammers, in order to remove the metal structures.

The local authorities have declared an emergency situation in the area after a 10-year-old girl was brought to the Yambol hospital in critical condition. The girl was injured when some Roma, angered by the order, began tearing down the panel construction.

Slavov has explained that he would not allow "
the biggest violators"
to use special preferences at the expense of families who have been waiting a long time for accommodation in municipal buildings.

He has also stated that the Roma who have remained at the meadow near the apartment building 20 have been deliberately enticed to think that the municipality is obliged to compensate them.

According to Slavov, they have been lied to by someone who has an interest to maintain the tension.

He gave an example of about ten Roma families, who gave up in the last minute the opportunity to receive assistance by the municipality for their transportation to a certain destination, after they had previously required it.

"
The distribution of municipal housing will happen as before, following the law, and after categorizing and classifying of the needy families,"
Slavov said.

The mayor also reminded that the municipality of Yambol has respected the right of free access of all the residents of the apartment building 20.

If the choice by the minorities is to live at the meadow, then they will be violate the Child Protection Act because they will not be able to provide normal living conditions for their children, Slavov said.

"
The children who have not been provided with normal living conditions will have to be sent to children homes,"
the mayor of Yambol, Georgi Slavov, said Monday.

After the eviction of the residents of the dangerous apartment building 20, about 100 people built huts at the nearby meadow with materials at hand.

The demolition of the notorious building began on September 18, after the residents were evicted and the area was protected with a temporary metal fence.

Many Bulgarian Roma make a living by collecting and selling scrap. Most of the thefts of power lines and cables across the country have been attributed by police sources and locals to gangs of unemployed Roma.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:19 am

We could all learn something from this report from the Sofia echo look at the bottom of the report and the simplicity of a child's mind

Parents pull children out of school because of Roma classmates - report


A total of 24 Bulgarian children reportedly were pulled out of their school in the town of Pazardzhik because their parents were outraged at the "
high number of Roma children"
that were enrolled at the start of the school year.

This was an unprecedented case in the Hristo Smirnenski school, and all children involved were first-graders, Bulgarian television channel bTV reported on September 22 2010.

School officials said that the Bulgarian parents reacted angrily when they learnt that 12 Roma children were enrolled in the school as first-graders. Then the headmaster decided to create two classes to accommodate the large number of new students. However, those two first-grade classes were "
not segregated"
, with Roma and non-Roma children in the classes together.

This caused outrage among the Bulgarian parents who decided to relocate their children and enrol them in another school.

"
I have never seen such a reaction from parents before. It is unacceptable, considering that we are all aiming for integration and globalisation,"
school headmaster Kiril Dimitrov told bTV.

The Roma families themselves have no concerns about their children being together with their Bulgarian peers, but apparently the feeling was not mutual.

"
Some mothers were yelling – they are Roma, they are less cultured than our kids, we don't want them here,"
according to a Roma mother, whose name was not given in the television coverage.

But some of the Bulgarian parents and students were less concerned about the Roma in their school.

"
They are people just like us. When we segregate people, the outcome is worse,"
a Bulgarian mother said.

"
I have no problems whatsoever that Roma kids want to study in this school. There is no need for racism here,"
a Bulgarian pupil told reporters.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:21 pm

Sorry folks history dictates for now .

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:18 pm

Good post BGTRAVELER if the children don't have a problem then why should the adults

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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:17 am

Hi mod thanx for editing my reply to the roma situation .
Its no good being politically correct in order to mask the truth .
The gypsies have ruined a property of mine by removing every bit of piping ,wiring ,windows,roof tiles from the summer kitchen and have totally removed an 8sided metal gazebo (weighing around a ton)from the front garden and you expect me to be nice about them .
Sorrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeee cant do it .
to add insult to it all my next door neighbour who tried to stop them was threatened with an iron bar .
It rather spoils the image of bulgaria dont you think .

note -;
please dont bother posting things like "
well things like this happen in england and the like !
where ever it happens its wrong .....period.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:05 pm

I don't know what was edited but I'm sure the mod did it for a good reason however I do understand what your saying here it is difficult not to speak your mind when you have been so badly treated by these people but I'm afraid that things will only get better with time but who knows how long? I'm not going to say that this happens everywhere because thats of no use to you when you have lost so much but I do wish you good fortune for the future and maybe we can all learn from this
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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:34 pm

Hi Nav,I appreciate you taking time out thankyou for your sympathetic reply .I wasnt having a direct pop at the mod as he will well know .It was meant for the people who do not understand the difficulties we are having with these roma people.On reflection maybe it is us brits that should have done more homework before straying into the villiages where theyexist.maybe they had or have no choice due to their ILK but we had if we had done more homework i suppose .Ah well its
done now and another load of money down to experience (or expenses lol)goes without saying tho they are off my xmas list .
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PostSubject: Re: Another Roma ghetto to be demolished   Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:51 pm

The Roma are not just in your location. They are in virtually all Villages &
Towns in BG.

I think everybody has sympathy with your situation. Well we do at least. We were here for less than a week and they tried to steal our car.

Getting back to the original thread. The Mayor of Yambol is not putting up with the antics of this particular bunch of Roma. By saying that they will put any children into homes if they live in a shanty type situation, is a good move. As the money they get from benefits is probably the only income they get. Hence no kids no money. Then maybe they will move on

But the Roma are typical of all people with a scrounging mentality, put nothing into the pot but want everything out of the pot. Again I know it's sad for the kids but why should everyone else pay for their filth. The majority destroy everything they touch. Plus as has happened with neilythere if the Roma can nick it they will. That's why we pay the Police to supply an alarm system which has a 5 minute armed response. We know it works as we have set it off accidentaly in the past. Guns out and they ask questions after.

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